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Message 362 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 18:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 361.  

here is the number of invalid wu
Invalide (1345)
for the moment I stop the project sorry

Same here. First validating was at a stand still, then hundreds of my tasks were invalid before the rest mostly validated. None of those tasks should have been invalid. Clearly there was some issue with the server. Seems like nobody is keeping tabs on this beta project on the weekends. If I do restart this project I'll only run it on 1 computer and only monday through thursday when people seem to be around. For now I'm taking a long break hoping things will get better before I return.

State: All (11790) · In progress (0) · Validation pending (0) · Validation inconclusive (0) · Valid (8722) · Invalid (856) · Error (2212)

Never mind the errors. Most of those were all the tasks I aborted when things wern't getting fixed on the weekend.

Ok.
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Message 363 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 18:33:22 UTC - in response to Message 358.  
Last modified: 21 Aug 2023, 18:33:57 UTC

We see "Validator: Output file absent"

Was this task calculated or not?
Why is the output file missing?
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Message 364 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 18:46:35 UTC
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Corporal wrote in a letter
Ну с валидацией я так понимаю все понятно, программа сервера базы данных по какой-то причине перестала работать и валидация остановилась. Пока что это разовый момент

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did you understand why "the database server program stopped working for some reason and the validation stopped"?

If the cause is still unknown, then it can happen again at any time.

By the way, my questions in messages
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=330
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=335
remained unanswered, which is not good.
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Message 365 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 19:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 364.  

Yes.
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Message 366 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 19:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 364.  

Corporal wrote in a letter
Ну с валидацией я так понимаю все понятно, программа сервера базы данных по какой-то причине перестала работать и валидация остановилась. Пока что это разовый момент

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did you understand why "the database server program stopped working for some reason and the validation stopped"?

If the cause is still unknown, then it can happen again at any time.

By the way, my questions in messages
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=330
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=335
remained unanswered, which is not good.

You yourself wrote the correct answer in the post:
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=341
And it does not require my confirmation.
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Message 367 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 19:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 361.  

Most of those were all the tasks I aborted when things wern't getting fixed on the weekend.

It was not the right action.
You just had to wait..
Natalia wrote to you correctly.

As I wrote earlier, most of the errors or problems I see right away. Some are urgent, and some have a margin of time for their correct solution. Validation just has a margin of time ...

I had 4 days left.
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Message 368 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 20:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 357.  


here is the number of invalid wu
Invalide (1345)
for the moment I stop the project sorry

May I ask you to recheck Invalid (1048) - are these new tasks?

What I see from my side of the stats are mostly tasks from a bad batch 87 that was canceled a few weeks ago and no longer issued.

1048 wu calculated from 07/18 to 07/20

When I see link:
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/results.php?hostid=269
And select "Error (1274)" we see "Timed out - no response"
(no answer from client, 15 Aug 2023, 16:58:12 UTC 21 Aug 2023, 16:58:13 UTC)

These tasks are automatically reassigned to other clients.

I'm telling you that I have 1048 wu marked "invalid".
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18 Aug 2023, 14:25:55 UTC 20 Aug 2023, 0:48:28 UTC Valider l'erreur 5,213.70 5,193.22 --- Symmetric Prime Tuples v1.01
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

I'll come back to the project when it's more stable.
Calculated for 0 credit no thanks.
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Message 369 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 21:30:49 UTC - in response to Message 367.  

Most of those were all the tasks I aborted when things wern't getting fixed on the weekend.

It was not the right action.
You just had to wait..
Natalia wrote to you correctly.

As I wrote earlier, most of the errors or problems I see right away. Some are urgent, and some have a margin of time for their correct solution. Validation just has a margin of time ...

I had 4 days left.

I would have waited but after seeing hundreds of my completed tasks showing up as invalid when I know they shouldn't have been there was no way I was going to continue wasting electricity running the tasks left in my queue.
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Message 370 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 23:32:41 UTC - in response to Message 366.  

You yourself wrote the correct answer in the post:
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=341
And it does not require my confirmation.

This is not an answer!
I couldn't know what was going on and just offered to wait.

You should have written about the problem that has arisen and reported that it is being solved and how long it will take to solve it.
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Message 371 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 23:39:16 UTC

I would have waited but after seeing hundreds of my completed tasks showing up as invalid when I know they shouldn't have been there was no way I was going to continue wasting electricity running the tasks left in my queue.

I'm telling you that I have 1048 wu marked "invalid".
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why are tasks showing as "invalid"?

If the task is calculated and the result is received, why is the task "invalid"?
If the task has not yet been validated, it should not be "invalid".

Why did the task suddenly have no output file?

Please answer these questions.
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Message 372 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 11:16:03 UTC
Last modified: 22 Aug 2023, 11:29:43 UTC

Name spt_101_5660710584525935453_0

I calculated this task.
Showing the console

Поиск ассоциативных наборов простых             10:49:14
Текущий интервал: [5660712534524606872 ... 5660712536524606872]
Проверено :      0%
Скорость  :    217
Найдено 12:   1638
Найдено 13:      0
Найдено 14:     70
Найдено 15:      0
Найдено 16:      0
Найдено 17:      0
Найдено 18:      0
Найдено 19:      0
Найдено 20:      0
Найдено 21:      0
Найдено 22:      0
Найдено 23:      0
Найдено 24:      0
Найдено 25:      0
Найдено 26:      0
Найдено 27:      0
Найдено 28:      0
Найдено 29:      0
Найдено 30:      0
Найдено 31:      0
Найдено 32:      0
Найдено 33:      0

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Attention!
Only 12-tuples and 14-tuples have been found.
12-tuples and 14-tuples are not included in the database.

I guess that's the reason there is no output file.
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Message 373 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 11:38:48 UTC
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This is a task from fzs600
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/result.php?resultid=792447

Имя spt_101_5657288334525935453_0

Результат выполнения Ошибка проверки

Состояние проверки Неправильный

Очки 0.00

If calculate this task, what happens?
I think the result will be the same as the example shown above.

Needs to be checked.

If this version is correct, then hundreds of tasks do not pass the validation for this reason and do not receive credits.

Demis
In addition, as you state, these invalid tasks are returned for processing again.
Thus, we repeatedly count these tasks.
And no one gets points for them.
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Message 374 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 15:15:21 UTC - in response to Message 371.  

I would have waited but after seeing hundreds of my completed tasks showing up as invalid when I know they shouldn't have been there was no way I was going to continue wasting electricity running the tasks left in my queue.

I'm telling you that I have 1048 wu marked "invalid".
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why are tasks showing as "invalid"?

If the task is calculated and the result is received, why is the task "invalid"?
If the task has not yet been validated, it should not be "invalid".

Why did the task suddenly have no output file?

Please answer these questions.

it's up to you to answer these questions, it's your project, you're the admin.
for my part, i'm calculating a wu all the way.
I send back the result and the wu is marked as invalid.
Why and how?
wu's aren't marked in error.
but as invalid.
Why is this?
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Message 375 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 15:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 374.  

it's up to you to answer these questions, it's your project, you're the admin.
for my part, i'm calculating a wu all the way.
I send back the result and the wu is marked as invalid.
Why and how?
wu's aren't marked in error.
but as invalid.
Why is this?

I checked the invalid WU and said my version
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=372

I don't control the launch of the client program and the server, Demis does.

Tomorrow I will check another invalid WU
https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=373

This may confirm my version.
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Message 376 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 16:02:49 UTC
Last modified: 22 Aug 2023, 16:14:56 UTC

Demis said

Something strange actually happened there.

These files were actually on the server.
There were about 3500 of them (2.7% of 128000).

The server did not see them all and automatically reassigned them to recalculation.

I've been trying to figure out why this happened, but I haven't figured it out yet.
Sorry.

https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=360

My guess is that my version explains why these 3,500 or so WUs are "invalid".
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Message 377 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 16:25:41 UTC

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this is your WU

Имя spt_101_5657288334525935453_0

Результат выполнения Ошибка проверки

Состояние проверки Неправильный

Очки 0.00

https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/result.php?resultid=792447

Tomorrow I will calculate this WU on my PC.
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Message 378 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 17:17:19 UTC - in response to Message 374.  

I would have waited but after seeing hundreds of my completed tasks showing up as invalid when I know they shouldn't have been there was no way I was going to continue wasting electricity running the tasks left in my queue.

I'm telling you that I have 1048 wu marked "invalid".
example

Demis
why are tasks showing as "invalid"?

If the task is calculated and the result is received, why is the task "invalid"?
If the task has not yet been validated, it should not be "invalid".

Why did the task suddenly have no output file?

Please answer these questions.

it's up to you to answer these questions, it's your project, you're the admin.
for my part, i'm calculating a wu all the way.
I send back the result and the wu is marked as invalid.
Why and how?
wu's aren't marked in error.
but as invalid.
Why is this?

https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=347
Ou sont passes les credits ?

https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=348#348
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May I ask you to recheck Invalid (1048) - are these new tasks?

What I see from my side of the stats are mostly tasks from a bad batch 87 that was canceled a few weeks ago and no longer issued.

Some statistics for you:
+----------------------------+--------+
| Count_Task_Assigned_Credit | Name   |
+----------------------------+--------+
|                      13605 | fzs600 |
+----------------------------+--------+

+-----------------------------+--------+
| Count_Task_Canceled_by_User | Name   |
+-----------------------------+--------+
|                        6692 | fzs600 |
+-----------------------------+--------+

+------------+------+-------+--------+--------+
| Count_Task | Host | Batch | Status | Name   |
+------------+------+-------+--------+--------+
|        646 |    9 |    87 |      6 | fzs600 |
|          4 |  161 |    87 |      6 | fzs600 |
|       3113 |  261 |    87 |      6 | fzs600 |
|       1792 |   82 |    87 |      6 | fzs600 |
|       1111 |  269 |    87 |      6 | fzs600 |
|         17 |  161 |   101 |      6 | fzs600 |
|          9 |  359 |   101 |      6 | fzs600 |
+------------+------+-------+--------+--------+

(Where "Status:6" - "Canceled by User")

These 26 (17+9) tasks (exclude batch 87) are automatically reassigned to other clients.
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Message 379 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 17:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 377.  

OK.
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Message 380 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 17:23:33 UTC - in response to Message 373.  

I wrote earlier: The server did not see them all and automatically reassigned them to recalculation.
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Message 381 - Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 17:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 376.  

Demis said

Something strange actually happened there.

These files were actually on the server.
There were about 3500 of them (2.7% of 128000).

The server did not see them all and automatically reassigned them to recalculation.

I've been trying to figure out why this happened, but I haven't figured it out yet.
Sorry.

https://boinc.termit.me/adsl/forum_thread.php?id=15&postid=360

My guess is that my version explains why these 3,500 or so WUs are "invalid".

While I continue to look for reasons: why this is happening.
I have my own version.
And I'll check it out.
And if it is confirmed, then everything is much simpler.
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